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"Gunner Liam Bretherton, 20, faces dismissal from the Army"
Silly boy, and is rightly being punished. The chances are he'll end up at Colchester Military Prison, then have a dishonorable discharge at the end of his sentence. What a waste of an opportunity...

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Here's another 450 More than 450 Queen's guards convicted for crimes from GBH to drug possession | Mail Online

I believe the Met Police also has around 250 serving criminals....Sorry police officers

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Ok, so it's a big barrel...

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I just can't understand some people in this country. They say that there are no job prospects. Rubbish!

I used to work as a project manager in construction before venturing out on my own. A labourer in London with no skills, no higher education (heck they don't even need to read or write) just needs his 2 hands to sweep up, help carry supplies around site, fill up the generators with diesel, clean formwork etc. earns min £9 per hour. The standard hours worked on site is 55h per week. If they worked for say 48 weeks a year (allowing for holiday, sick, bank holiday etc) that equates to almost £24k per annum.

People in this country do not want to get their hands dirty! No wonder there are so many Indian, Polish, Irish etc in this country cause it is easy pickings from where they come from. By the way I am from South Africa so am an immigrant myself.

For me there is very little excuse in not finding a job in this country.

Thats what we like to see, no fence sitting

I do think there is an element of "that jobs not good enough" which then goes back to our hand out culture.

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I remember a few years ago, ITV did a documentary on the East Europeans fruit picking around Peterborough. They was earning good money from doing it.

The producers then went to the job centre in Peterborough and told some of the unemployed youngsters that there was some vacancies fruit picking in the local area.

A lot of them were not interested. One who was, gave up on the idea when he found he would be working with Eastern Europeans.

That programme summed up the youth of our country today!!!

Depends what you call good money... and the ammount of hours you are required to work, if I remember correctly these eastern european workers were on price work, all living in a portacabin supplied by the farmer or the gangmaster. And this is just so the likes of you and I can have cheaply produced food while the farmer who already receives subsidies from the EU or in other words the tax payer and half the world starves. If he had been allowed to pay people from certain African countries for 30pence a day they would have been happy to come for that ammount of money. Yet we'd still be moaning about it. You cant have it all ways, cheap materials, cheap labour and then expect full employment with high rents / council tax and other utility bills to pay let alone put food on the table. It's great saying that there are tax credits available and this benefit or that for low paid workers. But if your going out to work you should not have to depend on anything other than a living wage. 33 years ago I earned £60pw just labouring in a sheet metal work company for the same age group now the minimum wage is £145.
Just because UK employers exploit cheap foreign labour (and you can't blame them) You can't simply expect the home labour force to get out of bed at the same rate of pay. Basically if we pay proper prices, paid proper wages stopped under cutting everything there'd be no need for half the nonsense with grants/benefits/tax because we're all paying through the nose for this total farce.

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If I drive to certain DIY outlets I can have a pick-n-mix of Bulgarians, Polish, Romanian and probably a few other nations. All cheap labour, starting price? Varies really but roughly between £35 - £70 per day no tax, no insurance, no employers liability insurance, no questions. And you can always haggle to get it even cheaper. It dosen't however make it right. And please don't take offense at this but the main reason why migrants are coming to this country is because your own countries including SA are stuffed, met enough South Africans in Rotherhithe, where every other house has SA residents to know this to be the case, even have their own pub now. Anyway, bottom line is this has now helped to stuff our country, but as the UK has in the past raped and pillaged every other country on the planet what go's around comes around I guess....

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You an only afford to do a very short-term job (eg picking fruit where your employment may only last a fortnight) if you're doing it for pocket money, to top up an existing secure income. That type of job is OK for students during the summer vac, retired people and so on.

If you're on benefit, you'd be absolutely stupid to take such work and declare it.

You'd know that the benefits system copes extremely badly with any changes to claimants' circumstances. It's the norm for claimants to be left without any money for several months when they first become unemployed, sick or move. Because they're not paid on time, claimants may lose their accommodation and build up debts they can't pay. God help them if they then make the mistake of going to the loan sharks, as many do.

Quite rightly, those who are on benefits and do undeclared work will find themselves in court.

The clued up claimant should only take a job lasting more than 5 months, unless it's paid far better than most of the permanent jobs he or she could get. Being more "flexible" causes huge amounts of grief.

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